A Spiritualist Church affiliated to the Spiritualists National Union. It is situated in Cardiff and was the first of its kind to be established in the city
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Thursday, February 12, 2009
OPEN CIRCLE
Doors close dead on 7pm so dont be late. Andrej Djordjevitch is the medium and jack Williams is the chair. Come early you know it makes sense
Wednesday`s Echo had a headline `Church`s miracle poster was misleading says watchdog`. The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) said that a poster advertising an evangelist healer was irresponsible and misleading and would have discouraged people from seeking medical treatment for the conditions listed on the poster. Really? If you had concer, aids asthma etc etc you would almost certainly have had a diagnosis from a Dr to put a name to it. So you would not have been discouraged from seeking medical treatment as it would have been your first port of call. The ASA said testimonials were not sufficient to demonstrate that a healer could treat any of the listed medical conditions. One assumes they felt this was because everyone healed was also seeing a Dr and this lack of exclusive treatment automatically means healing cannot be attributed to a healer although it can be attributed to a Dr whose patient also has healing. This also demonstrates that people using spiritual healing tend to have orthodox treatment as well which militates against the argument that going to a healer would discourage people from seeking medical treatment. If the ASA had been investigating an advert about cars they would have consulted an expert on cars. Who did they consult about spiritual healing (for want of a better term - we do not refer to X-ray technology as spiritual)? The ASA would have been better employed investigating the remarks that only through Jesus Christ and belief are people healed. It would be a shame if the report and editorial were to deter people from seeking spiritual healing. A dual standard always applies in cases of unorthodox healing. In drug tests placebos usually procure the same result as the drug in a significant proportion of cases but there will be no question that it was the drug that healed in cases where the drug was given and the person was healed. Some demonstrably effective medication may not work for some people and may even make them worse, That it does not work and may even be harmful in some cases will not necessarily stop it being used, it will simply make Drs more selective in its use. Any failure of unorthodox medicine to heal will not be so reasonably and sensibly regarded and will be taken to validate the proposition that it does not work. Unorthodox healing cannot be demonstrated to work to those who have not experienced it because the presence of orthodox healing will always be held to invalidate it. If a surgeon operates on a joint physiotherapy and or massage will be given. The surgeon does not say his operation must stand or fall on what he does. Some Drs do refer their patients to alternative healers particularly where they perceive them to be effective. Under the NHS it is open to any NHS patient to request and receive healing of the type which the ASA investigated. In 1941, in a tribunal heard before a judge, Sir Miles Mitchell, William Henry Lilly was granted unconditional exemption from becoming a non-combatant soldier because he was treating 200 people a week with unorthodox healing and herbs and his healing was seen to be effective. The burden of proof was the same as now but the affordable and successful medical intervention was less. Because the medical profession and the ASA say unorthodox healing mehtods are unproven is no reason not to try them. X rays, radio transmission radar and TV demonstrate that things can be seen, heard and sensed from afar and no-one questions them. If we approach spirit healing rationally and questioningly spirit healing may one day seem as normal as listening to the radio. A further example of double standards being applied in relation to spiritual matters is in the research currently being carried out in hospitals in South Wales into out of body or near death experiences. Much documented research has already been done on this. It is not normal for the medical profession to repeat tests already satisfactorily carried out by others. Typing all this has given me a head ache I must stop now for an aspirin.
3 comments:
who's this Jack Williams pretending to be a piece of furniture?
Is it part of some installation art project happening at Park Grove?
Jack Wynne-Williams (aka Indie Jack)
He thinks he has all the connections ,but has he?
Wednesday`s Echo had a headline `Church`s miracle poster was misleading says watchdog`. The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) said that a poster advertising an evangelist healer was irresponsible and misleading and would have discouraged people from seeking medical treatment for the conditions listed on the poster. Really? If you had concer, aids asthma etc etc you would almost certainly have had a diagnosis from a Dr to put a name to it. So you would not have been discouraged from seeking medical treatment as it would have been your first port of call.
The ASA said testimonials were not sufficient to demonstrate that a healer could treat any of the listed medical conditions. One assumes they felt this was because everyone healed was also seeing a Dr and this lack of exclusive treatment automatically means healing cannot be attributed to a healer although it can be attributed to a Dr whose patient also has healing. This also demonstrates that people using spiritual healing tend to have orthodox treatment as well which militates against the argument that going to a healer would discourage people from seeking medical treatment.
If the ASA had been investigating an advert about cars they would have consulted an expert on cars. Who did they consult about spiritual healing (for want of a better term - we do not refer to X-ray technology as spiritual)?
The ASA would have been better employed investigating the remarks that only through Jesus Christ and belief are people healed.
It would be a shame if the report and editorial were to deter people from seeking spiritual healing.
A dual standard always applies in cases of unorthodox healing.
In drug tests placebos usually procure the same result as the drug in a significant proportion of cases but there will be no question that it was the drug that healed in cases where the drug was given and the person was healed.
Some demonstrably effective medication may not work for some people and may even make them worse, That it does not work and may even be harmful in some cases will not necessarily stop it being used, it will simply make Drs more selective in its use. Any failure of unorthodox medicine to heal will not be so reasonably and sensibly regarded and will be taken to validate the proposition that it does not work.
Unorthodox healing cannot be demonstrated to work to those who have not experienced it because the presence of orthodox healing will always be held to invalidate it.
If a surgeon operates on a joint physiotherapy and or massage will be given. The surgeon does not say his operation must stand or fall on what he does.
Some Drs do refer their patients to alternative healers particularly where they perceive them to be effective. Under the NHS it is open to any NHS patient to request and receive healing of the type which the ASA investigated.
In 1941, in a tribunal heard before a judge, Sir Miles Mitchell, William Henry Lilly was granted unconditional exemption from becoming a non-combatant soldier because he was treating 200 people a week with unorthodox healing and herbs and his healing was seen to be effective. The burden of proof was the same as now but the affordable and successful medical intervention was less.
Because the medical profession and the ASA say unorthodox healing mehtods are unproven is no reason not to try them. X rays, radio transmission radar and TV demonstrate that things can be seen, heard and sensed from afar and no-one questions them. If we approach spirit healing rationally and questioningly spirit healing may one day seem as normal as listening to the radio.
A further example of double standards being applied in relation to spiritual matters is in the research currently being carried out in hospitals in South Wales into out of body or near death experiences. Much documented research has already been done on this. It is not normal for the medical profession to repeat tests already satisfactorily carried out by others.
Typing all this has given me a head ache I must stop now for an aspirin.
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